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November 13, 2008

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P.U.

What a bunch hogwash. Try again. If you're going to pull the wool over our eyes you're going to have to do better than that.

J. Landers

Many fine points brought up in this post, Mr. Duke, and many things to watch out for in the coming months. However, one can only wonder how long the modern left's coalition of extremists and ethnic identity groups can hold together once the American citizen's voice is further disenfranchised.

Mr. Mike

"What a bunch hogwash. Try again. If you're going to pull the wool over our eyes you're going to have to do better than that."

Actually, P.U., it is "U" who needs to come up with something better. You wrote a few sentences, while Mr. Duke wrote an essay. Counter it point for point, otherwise, your little more than a troll.

P.U.

Mr. Mike,
..."otherwise, your little more than a troll."

I believe you wanted to say YOU'RE little more than a troll. When you make simple grammatical errors like that, you seem less than a troll. Check Copyblogger..."Five Grammatical Errors That Make You Look Dumb." Then you can peddle hogwash point for point on a level with your "Mr. Duke."

Thanks for playing...

Mr. P.U.

1 man 1 vote

“…the modern left's coalition of extremists and ethnic identity groups can hold together once the American citizen's voice is further disenfranchised.” - J. Landers

Boy, talk about showing your keester in public. This guy doesn’t think that those he labels as “extremists and ethnic identity groups” rate as citizens. What do they have to do?

Take a test, pay a poll tax, own property (be white, conservative, Christians) before they can add to the “American citizen’s” (please excuse the word here)…collective voice?

I have to tell you, that thinking is as Un-American as it gets. It's sad that it's so common on the Right.


phx

"When the only possible unity is under the banner of secular-fascism, we need to become dividers, not uniters. And this, my friends, is a real message of change and hope."

phx

ab

"When the only possible unity is under the banner of secular-fascism, we need to become dividers, not uniters [sic]. And this, my friends, is a real message of change and hope." - pbx

You've got that in quotes. Who said it...Ted Haggard?

W. Tieff

hmmm.... not sure that's a real quote.
It presents an ideal of "unity" that is dependent upon a "banner" of something that flies against American (or what USED to be American) values. Clearly this nation is, was, and continues to be "divided" as long as it is a republic. That's the point of this post. Our "Republic" forever seeks to be "a more perfect Union", yet will always adhere (Godwilling) to the aims of all Men, and their Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property. Change and Hope be damned!!!!

ab

How old are you? The "banner" of America in your frame of reference is gone. Nobody is sitting at the back of the bus anymore. Nobody is going peacefully to internment camps like in World War Two. Nobody is saying, "Yes boss" anymore. Nobody is going to line up for the Draft if the government is foolish enough to try that again. We aren't going to burn witches in the name of God like the first settlers...even though you would like us to. We aren't going to humbly stand in soup lines like the unemployed did in the Depression while the rich eat steak dinners and send their kids to fancy schools. What you see as America for the most part is gone and the rest will thankfully soon follow. Stop looking behind you, you'll strain your eyes.

Bill

Duke says: “I don’t see anything short of divine or devilish intervention (and the latter favors the president-elect) that will prevent Obama from being a two-term president.”

Selwyn,
Your fascination with good and evil rivals that of a thirteenth century monk. I’ll bet you see little angles with harps and devils with pitch forks and pointed tails at the grocery store. (I guess that’s a vision or hallucination depending on your concept of reality.)

It’s a shame you don’t secret yourself in some mountain monastery in the Alps, take a vow of silence and devote the rest of your life to copying things down on paper. That would be good for the rest of us.

That vow of silence anyway.

Those with your point of view make the progress of a society like swimming upstream with an anvil tied to its ankles. Time for you to get out of the way, superstition has done enough damage already. You are like the Western version of the Taliban, a bunch who certainly has done enough damage to their society.

In one day recently, a Roman Catholic priest refused Communion to those who voted for Obama and the Taliban threw acid in the faces of young girls because they went to school. They are not so different.

So do what you do. Beat your back with knotted ropes, handle snakes, drink battery acid, roll around on the floor speaking gibberish. Fast for month, go on a Pilgrimage to Mecca, stone an adulteress.

Go ahead; listen to the con-man in the expensive suit and hair that wouldn’t move in a hurricane who casts a lustful eye on your pocketbook. Listen to the celibate fellow in a Roman collar who casts a lustful eye on your kids. Listen to all the crazy voices in your head, and Selwyn, if you actually believe in a loving and merciful God…

Just leave the rest of us alone.


Joseph

Bill,

How dare you compare an Obama voter refused communion by the Catholic Church to a schoolgirl being attacked with acid by the Taliban? I do not think that anyone refused communion is visibly scarred for the rest of their life, and to use that imagery as a comparison by which to attach a stigma is vile in the purest sense. I notice that instead of writing a logical essay in response to Mr. Duke's ideas you use stereotypes and insults to denigrate the man's character. You say Mr. Duke is holding us back from progress, yet by your rhetoric I can see that you view any dissent from your personal opinions as foolish. Do we not have a right to state our opinions for others to hear? If others look to Mr. Duke and agree with his statements are they less of a human being than you? Isn't a testament to Mr. Duke's character that he allows your venomous discharge to stand on his website for others to read? I feel I'm safe in assuming that if you had the power to shut down his site you would not afford him the same consideration. Do you hate to hear the words good and evil? I find it interesting how the people who usually harp about relativism are the first ones to judge others who might have a differing thought or belief.

Bill

Questions from Joseph:

Q. “How dare you compare an Obama voter refused communion by the Catholic Church to a schoolgirl being attacked with acid by the Taliban?”
A. (They both used one of the strongest forms of coercion they have available to them to achieve their goals. That’s obvious isn’t it?)

Q. “Do we not have a right to state our opinions for others to hear?”
A. (Of course you do and you know it.)

Q. “If others look to Mr. Duke and agree with his statements are they less of a human being than you?”
A. (No….Why do you guys always refer to him as “Mister” Duke? It sounds like a cult thing.)

Q. “Isn't a testament to Mr. Duke's character that he allows your venomous discharge to stand on his website for others to read?”
A. (Sure it is.)

Q. “I feel I'm safe in assuming that if you had the power to shut down his site you would not afford him the same consideration.”
A. (Nope.)

Q. “Do you hate to hear the words good and evil?”
A. (The way Duke does it, yes. He has political ends not spiritual ones.)

Q. “I find it interesting how the people who usually harp about relativism are the first ones to judge others who might have a differing thought or belief.”
A. (No you don’t, it’s the standard Duke sermon.)

Joseph

Bill,

I am beginning to see a trend in your method of rebuttal. You seem to focus more on tangetial statements rather than the gestalt of what idea is wholly expressed. My point was that you observed one remark by Mr. Duke in his essay and you went on to attack him personally rather than to give an argument with any sort of forethought. That is a dishonorable action in my opinion. If you disagree with some obscure comment from Mr. Duke you would do much better to rationally explain your case without scurrilous insult and deceitful parallelisms of Catholicism and Islam. I also observe something of a contradiction in your response to me. You accuse Mr. Duke of having spiritual delusions of demons and angels in your first diatribe, yet you state that Mr. Duke has political ends not spiritual ones towards me. Which is it? Is he insane, or is he manipulative? I want to hear some critical thinking here so give me some facts if your going to answer me, otherwise give up.

Bill

Joseph,
You ask if I think Duke is insane or manipulative. Duke is a right wing revolutionary. He’s also brilliant and a talented writer. I think he’s dangerous. I do give up, you can figure out the rest for yourself.

J. Landers

"Take a test, pay a poll tax, own property (be white, conservative, Christians) before they can add to the “American citizen’s” (please excuse the word here)…collective voice?

I have to tell you, that thinking is as Un-American as it gets. It's sad that it's so common on the Right."

Hmm...interesting that I never mentioned anything about anyone belonging to these groups as not being citizens, nor that they do not deserve their voting rights. But you immediately jumped to this conclusion, and with quite a bit of venom as well.

You are the one showing your own bigoted "keester" here - and you obviously have it in for "white conservative Christians." It's OK in your mind because those are the proper ones to hold in contempt in the typical leftist's viewpoint... Cut back on the Chomsky and general teeth-gnashing and accept that it is not "un-American" for someone to make an observation about your political side.

I merely made an observation that the left currently contains many fragmented groups with their own interests "united" under a banner of hatred of the right (specifically Bush and the neocons). In all fairness, this is not to even say that the right has elements of that (albeit in a different form) which I am willing to acknowledge. Can you do the same, I wonder?

?

Yes, I suppose a democracy is the fairest form of representation selection (from a populus perspective), but not always the best way to select the best people. Nor is it the best for the long term designs of the country. A democracy depends upon the intelligence of the people and morality of the people.

"Democracies usually collapse not too long after the plebes discover that they can vote themselves both bread and circuses ...for a while."

-Robert Heinlein, Expanded Universe


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